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允許未成年的女兒與女友進行兩日遊?
tinymine
2017-08-30 15:09:55 UTC
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My daughter is 17. Her girlfriend is the same age. Long story short, my daughter asked me today if she could take a camping trip with her girlfriend before the school year started. The camping grounds are ~100 miles away from our house.

My partner and I are on the fence with this. We trust our daughter isn't going to make a unplanned for detour to Vegas, but it's hard to let go. It's not like a school trip where she's staying in a hotel under the supervision of teachers. She would be sleeping on the floor, in the woods, with us too far away if anything happened to her. Plus, we don't really think 17 year olds are mature enough for an overnight trip with a significant other.

So I guess we're leering on the side of 'no', but we want to be fair so here I am asking this site for its opinion. Thanks in advance

僅*安全*方面會引起警鐘。獨自一人在樹林裡露營的兩位小姐很容易被利用。他們一個人去嗎?誰和他們在一起?您的女兒有沒有獨自露營的經驗?如果他們住在旅館怎麼辦?他們決心去露營嗎?這裡有很多折衷之處。
取決於女孩的成熟度。他們以前露營過嗎?
我認為“一個人在樹林裡”和“一個人在營地露營的帳篷裡被其他帳篷包圍”之間是有區別的。
我15歲那年就這樣做了,並設法以各種可能的方式搞砸了–丟了我所有重要的錢包,第一夜過後只喝了一瓶啤酒作為早餐,沒有回家的路。用露營的電話打給我的父母,他們給露營打了些錢,他們給了我,我可以坐火車回去。我想,最糟糕的是,他們不得不開車過來接我。
您是否曾經在某個地方露面,您的女兒說她會成為?
只需考慮:您的女兒將在不到一年的時間內成年。然後,如果她選擇,她將可以在伊拉克度過假期,或者可以入伍參加軍隊並被派往阿富汗,或者以跳台為嗜好,而您將無法制止她。那麼露營旅行真的有問題嗎?
我們是在說女朋友還是女朋友?
我對sleske情有獨鍾:17歲是18歲之前的一年。如果她17歲時不能獨自旅行,我懷疑她18歲時能做到這一點-當她實際上可以自己決定時。我知道您的恐懼,當我到達某個地方或再次回來時(我已經三十歲了……),我的媽媽仍然不接受短信。您的恐懼不會消失-這實際上是一件美好的事-但您必須習慣它:-)
在我17歲的時候,我獨自一人坐在飛機上,我確實為自己訂了書,離家只有6000英里,並作為交換生在那里呆了12個月。真的你的女兒不能去露營嗎? :-)放開她,您的信任將得到豐厚的回報!
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user26011
2017-08-30 20:36:58 UTC
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我認為17歲的年輕人通常有能力離開支持者一兩個晚上。我在那個年齡做過一些個人遠足,我的一些熟人幾乎都是奔波的家庭。當然,每個人都是不同的,理想情況下,只有在經過驗證的能力允許的情況下,才應移動邊界。

預計在未來幾年中,她將過渡為很大程度上獨立的人,而分開幾天過程中的合理步驟。如果您拒絕這次郊遊,則您可能應該開始計劃一個讓自己對類似事物最終感到滿意的課程。

如果這是她第一次獨立郊遊,我會敦促更多的人參加,如果沒有的話,請至少定期參加通過電話隨意辦理登機手續(如今,露營甚至比我想像的要少得多)。我還建議您有一個優美的隱居之地,比如說旅館或其他露營地,如果露營地上的東西很粗略,可以使用而不會蒙面。

很多事情取決於您的意見她的能力。我知道年輕人會在沒有幫助的情況下無法搭起帳篷,或者必須提醒人們注意營地中的浣熊和松鼠的基本預防措施。我是一個人們,人們認為在規範過後很長的時間裡放火時必須要當心。

美國大部分地區都非常安全,在受歡迎的地區,通常有足夠多的其他人來解決嚴重問題的可能性很小。

我也非常警惕批准一個浪漫的婚姻,我不希望一個17歲的朋友成為有效的陪伴者,所以也許我是一個自以為是的人,但是這以錯誤的方式給我帶來了困擾。

我喜歡答案中指出17歲即將獨立的那部分。我還將擴展到與“重要的另一個”一起過夜。您甚至不必擔心她懷孕!而且,如果有幫助的話,在那個年齡的歐洲,青少年乘坐火車經過一到兩個星期在歐洲進行夏季旅行是很正常的。這意味著他們會穿越他們不了解當地習俗,必須使用外語等的地區。總的來說,他們做得很好。
@Pascal我敢肯定,乘火車和公交車都能到達的任何地方都很受歡迎,以至於在遇到麻煩和歡迎闖入者的情況下,可以依靠陌生人的支持。我一直在考慮重要的其他部分,但我還沒有提出明確的論據。但是,我認識到接受她使用獨立資源製定計劃與提供資源使其生效的區別,即使那隻是許可。
DCook
2017-09-01 16:57:55 UTC
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In a short time she will be off to college. Likely farther than 100 miles. So do you trust her judgement? You cannot handhold her through life. At some point, you have to cut the cord and let them be. Camping should be relatively safe. Pretty much anything that can happen while camping can happen at home too. There is no such thing as totally safe no matter how nice your neighborhood. Let her go. Let her exert her independence.

這是部分向其他方向搖擺的第一個答案。我要說的是,儘管再過一年的成熟,在青少年時代就產生了巨大的變化。 +1
threetimes
2017-08-30 18:30:34 UTC
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As a parent who has been asked for similar freedoms at similar ages I can tell you my answer was "no". In my case I managed to get them to be happy to camp in my own yard and have a fire and just have a more "secure" sleep out. We don't have large property or I would have been open to any place on my land. I would also maybe have allowed them to do so on someone's property I know, but to my surprise the offer of our own yard was well received. I am in the USA and the one thing I have going for me is I was able to locate online the rules for state parks and show they that they were too young to be permitted to rent a lot on their own anyway. Likewise, where I live, you won't be able to get a room if under 21. They do not want to deal with underage drinking, which many kids use camping and hotels for.

I also feel that the way I try to negotiate things at the "end" of childhood has helped us be able to maintain some influence with our kids. I want them to see me as a source of support and information. I personally don't feel like it's particularly "safe" to be so young and inexperienced in life and go off camping. I wanted them to also see this. In a year she can go where she pleases without permission. This is the last year you have to help her try to sort out what is a good idea and what is inherently a bit risky. As such, I would negotiate (like I did with my yard camping) and explain the safety concerns on such an endeavor and that she would likely find trouble even getting a place to rent, because the parks and hotels also recognize the inherent risks. I also have encouraged my daughters when they do go camping to take a dog with them. It really is considered one of the ways you can camp "safer".

“這是您必須幫助她的最後一年,以理清什麼是好主意,哪些本質上有點冒險。” -我同意,但是我不想告訴我的女兒,短暫的露營之旅屬於生活中“有點冒險”的方面,它變得平凡無奇。
@Remco您從事的*任何*活動所涉及的安全性或風險與*如何*完成有關。告訴我的女孩有風險並不是一件容易的事,因為我們確實有個女孩在露營的時候離我家大約40分鐘被殺。,其中三個,都是年長的,大約要比我年齡大10歲。
甚至在那種情況下*如何*可能做出了貢獻。那是一個無人看管的鄉村公園,只拍了另外一個地塊,相距太遠,甚至聽不到任何聲音。其中一個女孩的前任與她有著非常熾烈的歷史,現在很難回想起來(20年前,被殺的人不是來自當地),但我相信它最終成為前男友。但是,對於他們來說,即使只是簡單地在繁忙的營地中紮營,而營地前方則設有檢查人員來往,這將是更為安全的。
pojo-guy
2017-09-01 03:25:02 UTC
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At 17, you really can't stop her. You can reason, forbid, plead and possibly even attempt to restrain, but in the end she will make a decision for herself.

I happen to trust my own daughter's judgement in such matters because she has repeatedly shown she is trustworthy. However, her friends whose judgement was not so sound simply walked out the door and left home when they were forbidden things their parents weren't comfortable with, and there was nothing anyone could do about it.

Express your concerns as a more experienced adult to another adult, discuss the safety, practical, and legal issues that may arise in your locale, and afterwards she will make her own decision.

作為父母,您絕對可以阻止她。她直到18歲都無法告訴父母自己發出嗶嗶聲。
從法律角度來看,這取決於您的住所。從實際角度看,一旦他們有了工作和收入,您就幾乎沒有槓桿。除非他們觸犯法律,否則執法人員的雙手將被束縛。我很幸運,我自己的女兒很有理智,但是我和她的知性程度較低的朋友一起看了這部戲。
@MisterPositive在我16歲時從父親的家中走出來(再也沒有回去),我意識到我有能力做我該死的事,無論我的父母是否同意。順便說一句,當時我沒有汽車。我向我的父母解釋了這種認識,並告訴他們我不再要徵求他們的同意了;相反,我會讓他們了解我所做的決定,我保證不會對由此產生的任何後果負責結果是。我想說,父母通常在17歲時仍然有一定的影響力(續)
@MisterPositive,但是(如果孩子沒有違反法律),您實際上不能強迫他們進行出價。
@pojo-guy在我看來像個警察。有多少17歲的人實際擁有汽車(擁有標題)?
永遠不會為我和我的妻子飛過的@MMA。希望你還好。
我女兒一個人擁有汽車。我們為她提供了部分初次購買的幫助,因為她需要汽車去上學(她的某些班級是在大學校園內,而不是今年的高中),但她可以在沒有我們自己幫助的情況下購買汽車。
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美國的汽車擁有權:州與州之間的區別在於“必須能夠簽名”和“必須年滿18歲”。鏈接:http://www.carinsurance.com/what-age-can-teen-own-car.aspx
Summer
2017-09-01 15:51:52 UTC
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I think this is a great point in her life where you can help her become independent in a safe way.

There are multiple things you could do to still ensure her safety. Make sure she knows about any wild animals that could be near, how to behave in a dangerous situation and to always carry a (charged) cellphone. Give her (or make her buy) an external battery for her phone so she is always in contact with either you or law enforcement in case anything happens.

Ask her for all the details about the camping grounds, surrounding etc and plan the trip out together with her and her friend. If you dislike this place you can discuss something that suits you more, maybe even closer to home.

You can say no to her, but in all honesty most 17 year old girls are mature enough to leave home for one or two nights. You will get on her good side if you accept this trip and help her plan instead of fight it. This can be a great learning opportunity for her.

Remco
2017-09-01 17:30:52 UTC
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Let her go. It's only 100 miles -- you can pick her up if something goes wrong.

We learn things by making mistakes. This is a good opportunity to make mistakes, if it turns out she still has learning to to do -- there's two of them together, it's a camping ground, it's not too far away, she can talk things over with her parents first. So there's very little real risk.

Ask her what she's doing for preparation. What I'd want to hear is that there's cell phone coverage there, and that she'll have enough battery the whole time, because as long as she has that, it'll be fine. And I'd want to hear that she's giving all the details of where she is and where she's making trips to (if applicablle), in case something goes wrong. At 17 I'd expect her to think of such things herself.

And then, when she decides to visit another country for a month next year, she'll at least have this trip under her belt. It's not much, but it's something.

Bronco
2017-09-01 21:08:51 UTC
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If they have experience camping, they are certainly old enough to do so. A group of kids would be safer than just 2. BUT, at this age kids lie. "Going camping" sounds like a red flag because there is no way to verify where they really are. Especially if there's no cell phone service. You know your daughter better than anyone, so only you can answer the question of whether or not to let her go.

It is your responsibility as a parent to protect her so that should always come first. Trust your instincts. Ask lots of questions. Will she have cell phone service? Will there be alcohol/drugs? Will there be boys? What will they do if there's an emergency? Get a timeline of events so you know where she is at all times.

When I was 18 and still in high school, me and my friend (who was a girl) went to Germany together for 10 days. We were a year older than your daughter and we had proved to our parents to be responsible over the years. We were staying with families our parents knew and trusted. We were 18. We were legally adults, so our parents are no longer legally responsible for our actions. They let us go as a graduation present but we had to be in constant communication.

You mentioned your daughter is going with her "girlfriend" but also referred to her as a "significant other". If I'm to infer that this is a romantic relationship then I would definitely not be comfortable with them going on a trip together at that age. Your daughter would be in a vulnerable situation with someone who you do not know, very far from home. At 17 they are still children. Even if you trust your daughter, you can't trust her significant other.

anongoodnurse
2017-08-30 20:55:16 UTC
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I wish that I could say yes to this so you had a comparison. The truth is, my answer would be "I'm sorry, but no, you can't go. It's just not safe."

Although the actual numbers of campers assaulted is probably not astronomical, it only has to happen once to your daughter and her friend to cause lifelong problems. Teens aren't good judges of danger (which is why they do such dangerous - to us - things.)

@threetimes has offered options, which I agree with.

There are two other points to address. If her reason for wanting to camp is to have uninterrupted alone time with her girlfriend, this would give me pause. But if they have already been intimate, they've been intimate, and two days is not much different than one evening. If they have not been intimate, you need to have "the talk" (again?).

If her reason is that she wants a taste of independence, there are other, safer things she can do, but as already mentioned in the other answer, she will not be able to rent accommodations because of her age. A couple of day trips might have to suffice.

As an adult photographing wildflowers on the Appalachian Trail decades ago, a man (who looked very deranged) pointed a gun directly into my face at close range. I don't know if he ever intended to pull the trigger. After a few moments, I said, "I shoot things, too" and held my camera up to show him what I meant. Then I walked away. This was in the days before cell phones, but I hiked as quickly as I could to the nearest road/phone to report him. The Trail has only gotten worse since then.

我討厭可怕的遭遇。十幾歲的時候我們在森林裡徒步旅行,我們沒有生意可做,但是在青年時期,我們說其中沒有“傷害”。我們無意間偶然發現了某人的雜草,儘管我們沒有受到直接威脅,但還是出現了一些警告。我沒有看到任何人,但我一半試圖逃脫(試圖逃脫)而自殺(摔倒)。我們真正的意思是沒有傷害,我們只是愚蠢的孩子,認為我們可以穿越一些我們沒有生意可做的土地。
可怕的遭遇也可能發生在家裡附近。
@Remco-家庭中可能發生可怕的相遇。我在一個崎rough不平的社區長大,一出屋子就被闖入了家。不過,我不得不說...,我上面說的。


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