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祖父母虐待我的孩子
algiogia
2017-07-31 16:41:19 UTC
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Seeing the other questions about grandparents, this seems to be quite the exception.

My wife went to visit my parents for two weeks and I couldn't go because I have to work. I thought it would be nice for them since we live abroad and they don't get to spend much time with my children.

Because of the distance, I was expecting my parents to spoil the kids even more, but every time I call them my son is crying that he wants to go home. He is very sociable and loves basically everyone, even kids that bully him, so this came as a shock for me.

My wife also told me that they shout on him all the time, especially when my nieces are around. They are 7 and 10 and apparently my parents don't want to "make them jealous". So whenever the nieces are around they ignore my son. Apparently my mom even joins the two girls in mocking/bullying my son and defends them if my wife says something.

If I spoke to them they would know that my wife complained to me and she doesn't want to ruin their relationship, which has been very good up until now.

I gonna see them soon and if I see the behaviour I'm planning to talk to them but I don't know how to handle it.

I love my parents, but I feel very sorry for my son. He's quite sensitive and doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

UPDATE: So, when I got there the situation was almost back to "normal". My wife hinted a few times (replying to the girls) that we won't come to visit again. She also made my parent notice that they were being too tough and they changed their ways.There are a few things going on there so my parents are quite stressed and snap easily. Doesn't help that where I come from being aggressive is part of day-to-day life. Thanks everyone for your help and support!

如果您的兒子在哭泣並要求與您通電話時回家,您可以以此為理由與父母交談,而讓妻子不在。
假設你是對的。我仍然不知道該如何提出或要說些什麼。我不想听話。
就個人而言,我會立即帶他離開那裡,如果他們問,請告訴他們為什麼...但是然後我就不太在乎我與父母的關係!
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要獲得有效答案,我們需要更多了解您的妻子。她是否在活動(她是否有汽車或公共交通工具,而不必隨身攜帶大量行李或類似物品)?你兒子幾歲了?他們是在茫茫荒野中還是在大城市中?
“她不想破壞他們的關係”。這是完全放錯了地方。如果您的父母虐待您的孩子,他們*已經毀了這段戀情*。 FAR優先考慮孩子的健康,而不是父母對您妻子“說教他們”可能造成的傷害。他們是否真的期望一個孩子的母親在虐待自己而不告訴那個孩子的父親?這很荒謬。實際上,他們應該相信在她面前所做的任何事情都可能在* you *面前。其他任何措施都無法保護您的孩子。
您一直說“孩子”,但只提到一個孩子,您的兒子。你在那裡還有另一個孩子嗎?您的父母是否正確對待他/她?這是非常重要的細節,因此請添加到問題中。
@ShadowWizard我的女兒8歲了。顯然,一旦我的母親接她,她就開始哭泣。她沒有要求我回家;-)
@algiogia謝謝,哈哈。但這並不表示,與我自己的母親,我所有的三個孩子一樣。每當選擇其中一個作為嬰兒時,他/她都會開始哭泣。她對他們很好。 :D
@ReadyToLearn我們以前曾遇到過這種問題。上一次我的父母拜訪我父親時,差點差一點,妻子告訴我。因此,我告訴我的父親要小心(他們開車在家里馬路的另一邊)。然後,他們向我的妻子抱怨,因為她告訴了我這次事故。我了解她的立場:她是一個外出的客人,有兩個小孩。
可能會向您的父母提及,如果他在那裡度過瞭如此恐怖的時光,那麼實際上,要讓您的孩子再次去看望變得更加困難。
你侄女的父母在哪裡?
我糊塗了。他們是在無視您的兒子還是一直在向他大喊大叫?
@ElisevanLooij都。當我的侄女在身邊時,他們不理他。當他做一些他們不喜歡的事情時(例如他有足夠的食物或要求他們和他一起玩),我媽媽對他大喊。
我真的很年輕,但是每次父母離開我在祖父母身邊時,我總是在父母打電話時哭泣。我的祖父母沒有錯。我真的很想念我的父母(這可能不是最健康的關係,我現在明白了)。但是,讓你的妻子和孩子在一起,讓孩子在祖父母身邊很難過,imo。
進度報告?
在所有情況下,將孩子的教育委託給他們的祖父母都是有害的。可以允許祖父母見孩子,但他們絕不能教育他們(無論他們多麼聰明和明智)。
@strawberry我今天要乘飛機,然後我們拭目以待。有所改善:我的妻子告訴他們我的兒子很傷心,因為他們不想和他一起玩。我媽媽玩啞巴,然後帶他玩。他們仍然表現怪異。
祝好運!希望一切順利。
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DCook
2017-07-31 17:54:06 UTC
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You are your child's parent. It is your responsibility to defend your child, even from your own parents. If you can afford it, your wife should move to a hotel. But you will have to explain to your parents that they behaviour is unacceptable.

正如問題中所說,我已經計劃在加入他們之後再進行交談。老實說,我看不出他們為什麼會這樣,因為他們通常對我兒子很好。
也許他們生你的氣。但是首先是讓您的孩子安全。你妻子需要帶他離開。由於您不會立即解決此問題,因此需要確保他安全。僅僅因為這是言語而不是肢體暴力並不能因此而減少危害。
注意不要太倉促行事。您的妻子和父母都是您信任的成年人。在決定之前,請聽每個人的版本。只有您非常了解每個人,才能了解文化差異或家庭特殊性。同時,您可以建議您的妻子花更多的時間在外面。甚至甚至可以與您的父母之一一起去她家(例如參觀這座城市...)。想像最壞的情況並基於此毀壞事情太容易了。
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anongoodnurse
2017-07-31 21:09:27 UTC
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You have some of the picture, and the parts you have are obviously distressing. But until you have the whole of it, I would say nothing to your parents.

Talk to your wife often, and support her; she's in a difficult position. Since you're not there to do the necessary confronting, she needs to do so depending on how inappropriate the behavior is.

Apparently my mom even joins the two girls in mocking/bullying my son and defends them if my wife says something.

Personally, I wouldn't tolerate this behavior. If the grandparent is actually bullying the child or taking the bully's side, it's time to take the kids out for a field trip, picnic, ice cream, whatever is possible to do away from where the grandparents live. This isn't quality time for your child. Repeat as necessary. Leaving the house for a hotel is really a last resort and drastic; if the abuse is serious enough, I would consider it.

How to handle it? It depends on what you see and what you expect of your relationship with your parents, and how much disposable income everyone involved has. Worst case scenario, you don't visit them any more until you have a talk and come to some kind of agreement about unkind behavior. Less drastic but still effective, see your parents away from that environment, e.g. a vacation together at the beach where if someone starts to act unkindly, you have the option to immediate get away: go swimming, go for a cold drink, a walk, etc. Your (brother/sister's) family can be invited, or you can take separate vacations with them so no "jealousy" issues can arise with grandma.

It's important to stand up for your children. It shows them your love. Your parents are important too, though, and how you treat them is a strong model for your children regarding how they should treat you when they are adults with children. This should be considered as well in the decisions you make.

I love my parents but I feel very sorry for my son. He's quite sensible and doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

Of course he doesn't. But the occasions where you really have to pick between one or the other are rare (hopefully). If your son is mature enough, you can let him be part of the behind-the-scenes conversation as well.

(參考您的第一行)我相信,如果OP想要整個圖片,他實際上應該與父母交談。其他答案也建議瞭如何以不太對抗的方式來解決這個問題。
@YoungFrog-我認為,如果OP願意通過電話進行此操作,那絕對是個好主意。但這不會給他全部印象。正如其他人提到的那樣,當他與父親交談時可能會想家。否則他可能大部分時間都在玩樂。否則他的父母可能會否認。或者是其他東西。如果他想要整個圖片,他必須在那裡查看。
MAA
2017-07-31 22:47:32 UTC
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I don't know what your relationship with your parents is like, but here's what I would do if it was me and my son, and either my own dad (mom is deceased) or my in-laws:

After hearing my son crying to me on the phone, and especially after hearing his other parent tell me that he is being mistreated, I would immediately call the grandparents and (if it was my dad) say, "Hey, so, I talked to my son today, and I don't know what's going on, but he feels very unsafe there right now for some reason and wants to come home. Can you please tell me what's been going on that might be making him feel that way?" And if it was my in-laws: "Hey, so, I talked to my son today, and he seems very upset and wants to come home, which is surprising to me, and I'm wondering what could be going on that would make him feel that way."

This approach is partly based on the fact that I know my dad and my in-laws are good people, and they would never take a direct confrontation by me out on my child, and it's also based on my propensity to tackle problems immediately and head-on. If you would feel safer for your family by being physically present and can make that happen, then of course you can show up first and then start talking. But if it was me, I know I'd want to make sure the situation didn't continue while I was on the plane flying there.

I would expect that the problem was likely a misunderstanding by the grandparent of how hurtful their behavior was, and possibly also of my son being sensitive and taking seriously some behaviors that are (mistakenly) meant in fun, but no matter what was going on, I would always always protect my son from his grandparents - if nothing else, he is a child and unable to defend himself, while they are adults and amply able to do so. Your job in this kind of situation is to be your child's advocate and protector, even if he turns out to be in the wrong in some way. He deserves always to be treated with respect and kindness, even if he is also exhibiting behaviors that need to change.

I can tell you from my own experience that the first unforgivable sin that a parent can commit in a child's eyes is to expose them to harm by standing by and passively allowing harm to happen. And a child's sense of time and of what goes on outside their presence is somewhat limited, so it is probably important for your wife to step in immediately when witnessing these situations so that your son knows she will defend him and is on his side. What you do in terms of addressing your parents on the phone is something he won't be able to witness, so it won't have an immediate effect on his sense of security. For that to be improved, you could tell him that you're talking to them to try to fix the problem, and that when you get there you might all sit down to talk about it together - if the grandparents are able to recognize the problem with their behavior and agree to be kind to your son. Otherwise the suggestion of removing your family from the situation is a good one. If people are not willing to see the flaws in their behavior and acknowledge them and agree to alter that behavior, there is literally nothing you can do at that point aside from removing yourself and your family from the situation. Again I speak from experience. There is no reason for your wife and son to stay in a situation that is damaging to them.

Peter
2017-08-01 02:19:40 UTC
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您不在那裡。您看不到會發生什麼,因此很難決定需要做什麼。

您的妻子在那裡。您的妻子確實知道會發生什麼。現在讓她決定,並告訴她您將支持她的決定,即使這會導致您的家人與父母之間產生分歧。在那裡,不必擔心有人會冒犯任何人。對您的顧慮要誠實坦率。如果您的父母想參與撫養您的兒子,那麼您絕對必須能夠與他一起撫養兒子。

當然,這是一條兩條路:如果他們參與撫養他,即使那部分很小,他們也有權利和義務誠實地告訴你他們是否對如何你正在撫養他。

TheDarkTrumpet
2017-08-01 01:56:38 UTC
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This is a bit of a passionate point for me, having been in a similar situation as your son is currently in.

The biggest thing, that is really important, is that you make sure your son knows you're on his side, even if it means being a bit against your parents. It puts you in a rough position for sure, but it'll mean a lot to your son - I can guarantee that.

There are some really good comments, one of them being that your wife and child should go to a motel for now. I know that's not what you're intending to have happen, but changing that arrangement will help improve the environment for your wife and son.

Speaking of someone who's had this experience, you may need to accept the nature that your parents will have their "favorites" and there may be very little you can do to change that. Doesn't mean you can't have a decent relationship with your parents, but the interactions may need to be more "controlled", hence the motel thing is a great idea.

This may be a bit more personal, but if you're interested in hearing how this played out in my situation - I'll give you the story, and hope it's helpful for you.

In my case, my father was in the military. He's retired now. But, he had to go out to the field, to do reserve-like activities, and so on. When he went into the reserves, I was around 6th grade or so. I would stay the night at my grandparents house, when he had to do stuff for the military. Unfortunately, this didn't last for very long. My cousin would also come. While my grandparents never yelled at me, they definitely played favorites with my cousin over me. It was a bit alienating. The sleepovers only lasted a very short time, maybe 3-4 times total, before my grandparents more or less made it apparent they didn't want me to stay overnight. On the other hand, my cousin was able to stay over almost on a continuous basis. To this day, I still don't understand why. Anyways, my father made it clear to me that he stood by me, no matter what. He started bringing me along with to his reserve weekends, and sometimes I stayed home for the weekend. This wasn't an optimal situation, so my father eventually went back into active duty (which is really abnormal in the marines, I think people pulled strings to get this to happen). We then moved to California. We only visited my grandparents once or twice a year, and we did stay at their place much of the time. It was still apparent to me that they didn't want much to do with me. Yeah, it still kinda hurts, but I know my father has my back. I'm now an adult, and my grandparents still don't involve themselves in my life - pretty much in any way. Missed my graduation from college, which is an hour from their house - yet drove over 2 hours to go to my cousin's graduation. The favoritism is still big here. But, I try not to think about it much.

The tl;dr is that it's very important, for your son, that he's aware that you're in his corner - totally and unwavering. I have a great relationship with my father, and I largely place that on situations like this - where we were alienated from other parts of the family, and ended up growing closer as a result. I do not have an unhealthy relationship with my grandparents, but honestly...I don't like them much, largely due to this happening (and more too)

對此表示支持。在這個時候父親應該陪伴他的孩子。我不喜歡把聖經經文帶到這裡,但一旦結婚,您便與父母分開,建立了自己的家庭,應該支持他們。
MeMyselfAndI
2017-08-01 00:07:48 UTC
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You know your child to see past other kids' bullying to instead love them, and here is a situation where your child is crying for help. This means that the bullying your parents are doing is damaging him because it is at a level much too upsetting for this sensible child to handle. Also important, it is teaching your nieces some bad lessons in how they may treat others in general and in flocks.

How were you treated as a child by your parents? The answer serves to find a way in which you can start the conversation. But do not wait until you see it to bring it up. This isn't some office drama, it is your child and your family. You can also just say he was crying to you, don't mention your wife at all. Were you also bullied in some manner, regardless of if it "toughened" you up?

If you do start the conversation and your parents get defensive, or kind of shrug it off as exaggeration, you should not take their word for it immediately. Talk to your child also, AWAY from your parents, to see what he says. You need to believe your child first. Especially with a sensible history as you say he has, he deserves a parent's maturity to help him learn steps on how to handle any situation. If your child lies, that becomes a different case for afterward, or if some parts were fibbed, treat it afterward, but for now teach him that he can rely on you.

Otherwise, a simple, "Look [Mom/Dad], I heard that [child] was crying on the phone, and he said..." can work well. Or "So [child] was telling me some stories about his visit. Can you enlighten me to [nieces] yelling at him?" can get a sense on if your parents put all the blame on the nieces. The line about your parent saying they don't want to make the nieces jealous says to me that your parent might be somewhat irrational, because that doesn't make sense for actions taken.. Gauge their responses, and put your child's needs first.

這個孩子是特別的訪客。侄女可能更多。奶奶不想在侄女的眼中顯得偏愛特殊訪客。那不是非理性的;那是偏愛。
啊,確實,謝謝你的糾正。 :)對侄女和OP的孩子不利,教給他們帶來麻煩的課程。
我的父母從來沒有像我們這樣。他們通常非常友善,對孩子很好,並譴責這種行為。
@algiogia更有理由在其上大聲疾呼。 IME,好父母並不總是能成為好祖父母(有些人比父母要好得多)。
coteyr
2017-08-01 11:05:27 UTC
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So what you describe is generally possible. Though there are a lot of things you need to consider.

  1. Your parents raised you. What was that like for you? We all change over time, but a very important thing to remember is that your parents raised you. If you think they did a good job with you then, give them some slack.
  2. Your parents are not you. Your choices on how you raise your children are yours. They should respect and support them. If they can't or won't then you should not leave your kids with them. Now you need to temper this a bit. Your children will be stronger and more able to cope with real life as adults if they experience different things as children. One of those "things" come from the fact that different authority figures have different rules. So, again, give some slack, but if your parents are not respecting the way you want to raise your children in some core way, then it's time to get nasty with your parents. (read on before judging)
  3. Your child may be "home sick". This is very tricky. But at home, it's his toys, his room, his shoes, his house. Even if he is very sharing and friendly he is making the choice to share his toys. When he is not in his house that choice is removed. He may just be feeling those feelings.
  4. It could just be culture. Again you mention that you live abroad, but even if that weren't the case, different generations have a very different culture. Small tiny things could just be adding up.

Now I mentioned things to consider that more or less say "let it go", and I don't really mean that. The thing though is it's easy to consider the simple fact "son is upset, make son better" and it's harder to sit there and go "son is upset, he will have to learn to cope" but those coping skills are VERY important. So consider everything before acting.

Now with that said, one of the largest problems I have with my "parents" are that they don't respect the rules and what not set forward for our children. (We are foster parents and sometimes the rules won't make sense, but are very important.) If your parents can not follow your rules, then you need to step in and just not let them take care of the kids. Even if that means being nasty with your parents. Your concern is for your child. Your parents are adult and will get over their ruffled feathers, or not, that is not your "problem". Yes you want to maintain a relationship with your parents, but now that your the parent your first goal has to be to your child, even if that means some trouble with your parents.

That said, you really need to consider what rules your trying to impose and rather they are "good rules" or just rules for the sake of rules. Remember your parents raised you. You can probably trust them. In my experience, 70% of the problems like these are just communication. You can get around them with a simple conversation. "Hey, son is kinda sad when ever I talk with him. What's going on?" is a great way to start. That other 30% can usually be addressed with "growing a pair". Something along the lines of "I know your my Mom, but this is my son. I said don't do xyz. Don't do it. What would you do if you though someone was hurting me? Realize I will do the same and I do take xyz that seriously."

Unless your parents are just bad people, once they understand what your parental wishes are, they will likely not have a problem with it. In fact they will respect you for it. But you do have to let them know. Your can't expect them to know that xyz is wrong, just because you think it's wrong. It doesn't work that way.

If your parents really are bad people, and just disregard your wishes, then it's time to cut them off.

Now every parent has to go though this at one time or another. "Don't feed Billy candy." They take Billy out and feed him candy, and when he comes home you notice and you ask, They say "It was only a little bit. It's no big deal." Then you have to decide. Do you try talking to your parents again, do you ban them from taking Billy out at night, do you ban them from ever taking Billy out alone? It depends. If Billy has diabetes then maybe it's time to go to the outright ban. Otherwise it may just be time to "ground" your parents for a while.

The point is this. It's easy to always try to protect your kids. One of the hardest things to do is let your kids get hurt. To sit there on the side, and watch as your child does something that you know will hurt them and to have to decide to let them make the mistake get hurt. It's very hard to do. It's also very important. Yes this experience may be hard for your son, but in the same way you have to let your son make his own mistakes you have to let him experience these unpleasant things. Just like you may let your kids make small mistakes where you know they will get hurt so that they learn, you also limit that by making sure that getting hurt is not "that bad". In that same way if your son is safe, and no real harm is coming to him, then let him experience what saying with your parents is like.

However if your wishes are not being followed and your son is actually getting hurt, or something is happening that you think is bad, then go full out protect mode. Your parents will eventually understand, or not, at that point it's not your primary concern.

我懷疑我的兒子想家了。他總是喜歡和人在一起,即使人們對他不太友善。他非常寬容。這就是為什麼他的悲傷讓我如此關注。
Chris Sunami supports Monica
2017-08-01 19:36:17 UTC
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You can talk to your parents without betraying your wife's confidences. Just tell them you can tell your son is miserable there because you've spoken to him on the phone, and then figure out your next move based on their reaction.

Since these are your parents it is puzzling that this is behavior you haven't seen from them before. Do they have only sons? Perhaps they always wanted daughters and are now playing favorites. Or maybe they feel like boys should be tough and not sensitive. Or, if your nieces live close, maybe they've formed a bond with them that your son doesn't have yet. It's even possible that they are trying to form a relationship, and but are just going about it in a style that your son --and your wife-- find confusing and distressing. Maybe (for example) they teased you mercilessly as a kid, but it didn't bother you because you knew it was all meant in love, but your son doesn't. If your wife and son are from a different country than your parents, maybe there are innocent cultural differences that aren't translating well. (These aren't excuses for their behavior, just an attempt to understand what is going on.)

It's difficult that the two people there (your wife and son) are relative strangers to the family, and the person who knows them best (you), and might be able to mediate, is far away. Regardless, you should let them know that you are concerned about how your son feels --and that you might have to limit his future time with them if things can't be worked out.

Chris Stoll
2017-08-02 00:48:48 UTC
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這與常見的“祖父母破壞我的孩子”體驗相反。我的觀點:首先,我完全同意那些帖子,說你應該完全支持你的兒子。這將創造出無與倫比的聯繫。如果他的行為不是100%良好,則可以稍後解決。您的妻子也是如此,您應該在她處境艱難的情況下為她提供支持,因為他們生活在父母的家裡,並且需要很多外交和考慮。孩子們的幸福是最重要的,最重要的是,她應該盡力備份/保護她(和你的)兒子。如前所述,他們還很年輕,無法自衛。其次,還有更多的事情要做,那麼任何人都有意識地意識到這一點,因此,您確實需要了解更多,這時,您只能與您的兒子,您的妻子和您的父母交談。我不會等到你在那裡,再一次我同意上一篇提到孩子不同的時間觀念的文章。對於年輕人來說,到達您所花費的時間似乎永遠都是,而您的兒子在漫長的等待幫助中非常脆弱。第三,被高喊是口頭虐待,經常造成傷害(我是從痛苦的經歷中以及從多年的觀察中得知)。這確實不是“好的”。如果他們無法以成熟的方式交流(尤其是與孩子交流),那麼也許您的妻子和孩子需要在其他地方。對於那些社會經濟地位比我高得多的人來說,酒店的建議是不錯的選擇。你父母聽起來不錯。看來您對兒子,妻子和父母有足夠的信任,這樣就可以通過清晰而誠實的溝通來應對這種情況。

user29056
2017-07-31 22:57:56 UTC
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我不明白您為什麼會不必要地延長情況。您的兒子與您的祖父母不舒服,所以讓他呆在那裡沒有意義,是嗎?他們倆都不喜歡聽起來那樣的情況(如果這樣,寧可要求保護您的兒子免受虐待)。

這顯然沒有用,所以您可能想嘗試一下在其他時間,當您自己在場並且可以更好地弄清楚發生了什麼事情時。

貼上這種“ adadism”的標籤是極端的。這可能是傷害,有害和無知的,但是暗示祖父母因施加蓄意的殘酷而獲得快樂只是在煽動悲傷的局勢。


該問答將自動從英語翻譯而來。原始內容可在stackexchange上找到,我們感謝它分發的cc by-sa 3.0許可。
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